Episodes

Professor Nora Kenworthy and journalist Marcus Harrison Green introduce In the Meanwhile.

Welcome to the premiere of In the Meanwhile—a podcast for anyone trying to survive the slow-motion apocalypse without losing their soul (or their sense of humor). Professor Nora Kenworthy and journalist Marcus Harrison Green kick things off with a candid, funny, and heartfelt conversation about what it means to live through this messy in-between era—where the old world is collapsing, the new one isn’t here yet, and the group chat is full of existential dread.

Born out of pandemic grief, political exhaustion, and the need to build something meaningful, this first episode explores what it means to live through a time of collapse without becoming a monster, how to hold onto your humanity when the headlines hit harder than your therapist’s out-of-office reply, and why Bob Ross might be the spiritual leader we don’t deserve but need right now.

Five years after a global pandemic, historic protests, and social rupture, where are we now—and what have we forgotten? In this episode, Nora and Marcus Harrison Green dive into the lingering impacts of 2020, from fractured families to the backlash against empathy itself. With humor, honesty, and a touch of John Mayer fandom, they explore how we hold memory, process grief, and dare to vision something better in a nation that feels like a group project where half the class didn’t show up. This is an episode about collective endurance, radical imagination, and finding joy, however strange or small, while still stuck in the “meanwhile.” If you’ve ever wondered why things feel both over and still happening then this one’s for you.

In this episode Nora and Marcus dive headfirst into the dystopian text thread we’re all living in: ICE raids in broad daylight, masked agents snatching people off the streets, media complicity, and the federal government going full “authoritarian starter pack.” But rather than stew in our fear, today’s guests offer pragmatic lessons about what we face and what can be done: here’s the twist, there’s still hope. They’re joined by Professor Angelina Godoy, a human rights scholar, who breaks down how U.S. immigration enforcement is veering into the territory of international crimes, and Principal Jamie Cook describes how her, whose small-town school community mobilized to free detained students and take a stand against ICE. It’s a moving, unflinching conversation about civic bravery, the power of everyday people, and what it truly means to show up when the stakes are high and the fear is real. Listen in and get inspired. 

After the largest single-day protest in recent U.S. history, Marcus and Nora return with a powerful bonus episode reflecting on the No Kings march. From Seattle's 70,000-strong showing to unexpected solidarity in small towns, this conversation is both a love letter to collective resistance and a blueprint for what comes next. They dig into grief, joy, fear, and faith - including Marcus marching beside his 80-year-old mother - and remind us why we gather in the streets: not because we think it'll fix everything, but because it tells us we're not alone. 

In this episode, Nora and Marcus wade into the bizarre right-wing war on empathy—where Elon Musk, JD Vance, and others claim that caring about other people is a threat to civilization itself. But beyond the absurdity, they trace how empathy has been weaponized, misunderstood, and hollowed out—from Clinton-era politics to today’s culture wars. Together, they ask: How should we show up and care in a time of polycrisis? Is empathy even enough? Or do we need something deeper—like solidarity, discomfort, and the hard, daily work of being human with one another?

What if the most radical thing we can do in our current times is love each other better? In this raw, funny, and wildly necessary episode, hosts Marcus Harrison Green and Nora Kenworthy sit down with longtime activist and scholar Dean Spade to talk about his latest book, Love in a F*cked Up World: How to Build Relationships, Hook Up, and Raise Hell Together. Spoiler: this is not your average self-help book. It's a radical blueprint for surviving collapse without collapsing on each other. 

This week on In the Meanwhile, Nora and Marcus sit down with journalist Schuyler Mitchell to unpack how we went from “defund the police” to cities doubling down on militarized crackdowns: complete with riot gear, surveillance drones, and bipartisan gaslighting. Drawing from Mitchell’s Truthout exposé on the LAPD’s long history of unchecked brutality, the conversation explores how both Trump and so-called “resistance” leaders like Gavin Newsom helped build today’s authoritarian toolkit. They break down the blurred lines between ICE, local police, and Homeland Security, the failure of reforms, and why police budgets keep growing while communities are left to fend for themselves. It’s a sharp and sobering conversation about what public safety really means, what abolition demands, and why hope lives in mutual aid, memory, and refusing to settle for brunch as a political strategy.

What if everything you’ve been told about Palestine was only half the story, and the half that kept power comfy? This week on In the Meanwhile, Marcus and Nora talk with Palestinian American scholar Karam Dana, whose new book doesn’t just unpack the crisis in Gaza—it shreds the whole suitcase of sanitized narratives we’ve been fed for decades. With the precision of a professor and the fire of someone who’s lived it, Dana explains how Palestine sits at the heart of our most urgent questions: What does real solidarity look like? Who gets to speak freely? And why are Jewish voices standing with Palestinians so often erased? It’s heavy, yes, but also clarifying, humanizing, and (somehow) hopeful. If you’ve ever found yourself wondering why talking about Palestine feels like touching a political third rail, this episode gives you the history, context, and moral compass to do it anyway.

This week, Nora and Marcus sit down with Gabriel Teodros, MC, poet, educator, organizer, and community time traveler, to talk about how we carry grief, make art, and stay human when the world’s on fire (sometimes literally). Gabriel takes us from losing his home in a blaze to creating From the Ashes of Our Homes, his most personal album yet. And along the way, he unpacks what it means to do “love work” in a world built to erase us. We get into the big stuff: why silence in the face of genocide isn’t just complicity, it’s consent. Why joy isn’t a luxury, it’s resistance. And why solidarity isn’t a social media post, but something you live, build, and dance to. This isn’t just a convo about music. It’s about using every beat, bar, and breath to fight back. Come for the rhythm, stay for the revolution.